Date & Dating

 

The importance of being frank

From: Globe and Mail

By: SARAH HAMPSON
Published: January 10, 2008

With experience comes candour, but after a roll in the hay, some men want to cuddle while the lady wants to leave.

“Are these women you write about real?” asks a man over his beer.

Well, he is real – an intelligent lawyer in his mid-60s, if you must know – and so is his question. Which raises some interesting, though not necessarily surprising, issues about men's perceptions of women and their behaviour.

Some men find it hard to believe that MLW (mid-life women) are anything but de-sexualized matrons. “Methinks your interviewees are talking dreams,” offers one male reader.

Wow. I felt a renewed sense of empathy for Hillary Clinton and her struggle with the gender issue on the political landscape. Being a woman sometimes feels like a piece of performance art, calibrated carefully to withstand the fiercely judgmental scrutiny we endure.

Pass the sex - hold the love
Last week, I wrote that some MLW I've encountered want sex but not a full-blown relationship with a man. They think of men as dessert and side salads in their lives, not the main meal, because they already have that – a big meaty life with a good job, a house, maybe a few children, friends and a retirement plan that doesn't include finding a rich husband.

“Why would I want to take on somebody at this point?” is a common question MLW have on the subject of long-term relationships. “I don't want to be someone's nurse or bank.” All they are missing is an appendage of a certain kind.

The male reaction was intriguing – a peek inside the locker room of their psyche.

Many assume that women are always desperate to mate – with them. One man, a 68-year-old who was briefly married and has been active on Internet dating sites, reports that all the women he is interested in – the over-50s – declare on their posted profiles that they want a long-term, committed relationship. “I just don't see the phenomenon you're talking about,” he said.

I don't profess to speak for all women (they are just as varied in their desires as men are) but I will say this: Hello? Few women are going to advertise that they just want lovers because it makes them appear slutty, which, in turn, welcomes all sorts of unwanted male presumptions.

This very same man went on to tell me that on one date, a mid-life woman let slide the suggestion that men are great as lovers but – she flicked her hand in the air, dismissively, he said – it would be wonderful if they would just vamoose afterwards. “I was really surprised,” he confessed, as if he had just discovered how to split the atom.

But the most incisive comment came from a man who wrote this: “What a curious twist of fates and roles. As men reach that certain age, they are looking for what women were looking for when they were younger, while the women are looking for what the men were looking for when they were younger.”

Neil Chethik, an American author and speaker on male issues, confirmed this curious reversal of desire. In middle age, many men – he doesn't pretend to speak for all older men in the world, either – want committed relationships more than ever.

“For men, their lives are on this constantly rising trajectory. They go to work, they move along in their career, make more money hopefully, rise up the corporate ladder. In middle age, the decline begins, physically, but also they're nearing the end of their careers,” he explains. “Women represent a possible relationship that can help bring us up. Men are often willing to invest a lot in our relationships with women at this stage, whereas women, especially those who have been married and made sacrifices to have children, are investing in their work and friends.”

I spoke to another man, in his 50s, who is dating a woman in her late 40s, who has made it clear that she has, and wants, several lovers on the go at this point in her post-divorce life.

“An erection has no conscience,” he offers with refreshing frankness, when asked if men object to being used for sexual services. But when feelings do become involved, his in particular, it's hard when the woman draws boundaries that prevent him from being more involved in her life exclusively.

“I'm not needy,” he states earnestly, explaining that he doesn't need a mother, housemaid or a chef. “But I don't want to be hurt.”

Still, most men – at least the ones who can imagine that MLW have romantic and sexual options – see the ability to discuss preferences and desires openly as a good thing. It's certainly a change from their younger years when women often goose-stepped their way to fulfilling the cultural script of what they should want (a man, a marriage and a baby) without a second thought.

Michael Coogan, co-author of Know Your Pig, a book for women about the simplicity of how men think, says that MLW's candour “creates a dialogue of reality, and that's win-win for everyone. From a male perspective, the biggest fear after divorce is that if they start dating, they're going to be on that roller coaster again of [female] expectation.”

Mr. Coogan adds some advice for women who are not afraid to speak and act as they want. “It's definitely an attractor for men that a woman is independent. No man is going to chase after a woman who immediately gloms onto him. But there's a fine line between the super-confident woman who is stylish and sophisticated and knows what she wants, and that feminazi who says, ‘I am woman, hear me roar. I don't need any of you.' When guys hear that, they're like, ‘Good luck with that.'”

At the end of the day – or more appropriately, at the end of the night – all these dating behaviours should perhaps be viewed with some degree of forbearance. “It's all posturing,” sighs Ian, a friend of mine in his early 50s who recently started living with a woman for the first time in his life. “I've been in the dating scene for close to 40 years,” he says, laughing. “People are so defensive.”

Both men and women – and here I venture to say that I speak for many, if not all – want love from another human being at some point. It's just that they are often cynical, angry, burned, choosy or, in the case of the mid-life, post-divorce set, experienced enough to know that it's wise not to assume that just because you sleep with someone you like you should immediately start picking out a china pattern.